Saturday, March 5, 2011

Fake Talents in Singapore?

The Singapore gahmen has successfully moulded the elite system in society, giving preference to those from top-notch schools and highly esteemed universities in a bid to enforce meritocracy. Have these systems been successfully enforced at the workplace? Whose responsibility will this be to ensure that competent hires produced by our Singaporeans, will be met by credible employees from abroad?


In Australia, preference is given to Australian-degree holders (regardless of citizens to a certain extent) who complete more than 2 years of degree in Australia, and must pass the English IELTS test with an academic standing of 6.5/9.0 in written, spoken and listening scores and must have a valid working visa that costs hundred times that of Singapore's.


In Singapore however, entry requirements for 'professionals' are so low it's easy for anyone to enter. Salary and years of experience form the basis as core requirements for approval; recognised qualifications now extend to emerging countries that do not meet Times Higher Education Supplement's Top 200 University Ranking 2010 nor the QS World Ranking 2010. Further, language requirements are surprisingly, not a must for a Nation that preaches English as the first language.


Here is a snapshot of the Employment Pass Categories on the MOM website:
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Let's take a look at an instance in the IT industry that many know, are heavily colonised by Indian migrants from India. They are 'perceived' to possess exceptional IT skills and have high science and mathematics score. That's the perception unfortunately. Further screenshots from linkedin.com reveal that these immigrants from South Asia, do not come from Top Universities in India, or can be regarded as talent, and that Mininstry of Manpower, has accepted third-world degrees as recognised degrees to their list. One would question how will this add or increase Singapore's competencies and improve productivity. Others question why should they be paid handsomely from graduating in these unknown Universities in the World.


Our investigative checks show how Barclays and many other Foreign Banks in Singapore employ Indians and Filipinos, and possibly Chinese, who do not have top IT degrees in their home country, nor do they graduate from any of the Singapore Universities - as far as these checks were performed.  In the words of MM Lee, he is aware that the Indians from India do not integrate with the local Indians and are seen as superior (refer to Hard Truths To Keep Singapore Going, 2011) and that some Chinese PRC do not feel accepted in Singapore.


Based on our recent investigations, the highest connections were largely Indian immigrants in Singapore in Linkedin.com As such, we highlighted these examples we found online for convenience sampling in the interest of time:




Investment Bank hires IT developers from unknown, unranked universities in the World.




Another One:



Oh, Another One:


There's more but hopefully you get the point..

2. So how much do they earn in Singapore?
According to the Straits Times article not too long ago, "Indian immigrants in their 30s, earn on average S$5,000 to S$7,000..."




3. So how do their Universities compare with the World?"
(a) THES Top 200 World University Ranking 2010:


Indian Universities are not ranked in Top 200 THES listings. They fall between 300-400. When viewed by speciality in Engineering and IT, Indian and Philippines Universities did not make it into the list: NUS scored higher nonetheless.
See More: Top 50 Engineering & IT


(b) QS World Ranking 2010:







See More: Rankings of Indian Universities in QS


4. So how did they come here and on what merit or basis?
It is probable that ignorant MNCs hire foreign recruiters, who do not need relevant HR degrees, in order to fill their vacancies quickly. By tapping on strong and deep relationships such as immigrants, they are able to satisfy their hiring manager's demands in requesting for candidates to fill vacancies rather than assessing competent ones. It is also probable that the hiring managers are directors, managers, or supervisors from the same home country as per the linkedin.com connections show. Try and search for yourself. You can do these causal findings yourself!


i. Recruiter from India in Barclays Singapore.


ii. Another recruiter from India in Barclays Bank Singapore.

Question: Why are these recruiters in HR non-Singaporeans?


5. Concerns
In this investigation, some questions were raised: What then will happen if you have 'over qualified' candidates who are smarter than Singaporeans? Will this disadvantage us citizens? Why are there no protectionistic sectors of the industry? How can you control demand if you don't know your local talent supply? 


If these immigrants are hiring their own, (quite obvious they are since they arrived in numbers within a short period of time) what can be done to empower HR professionals when they have to submit to unruly requests by bigotry bosses/line managers? 


The answer: Employment Law. But there's no one looking into this piece at the moment. HK on the other hand, has a strong employment law, that empowers HR Managers to throw out requests such as these. Check the Hong Kong's Employment Ordinance recently enacted for details!


In comparison, Hong Kong was able to enforce meritocracy, create jobs for Hong Kongers in the face of rising emigration from the billions of Chinese in Mainland. MNCs are concerned at supply of talent, but not necessarily about where they are from. To say MNCs need 'foreigners', is just gibberish and an untrained school of thought -- MNCs are everywhere.

24 comments:

  1. Bro, very good write up. You might want to take a look at my letter to TR:

    http://www.temasekreview.com/2011/03/05/proof-of-mom-being-hoodwinked-by-fts-fake-degrees

    Bro, do I have your permission to post your article on other online sites? :)

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  2. Good one too. Thank you! Feel free to do so! Cheers! :)

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  3. To call them "fake talent" is an unwarranted statement. Universities are ranked by criteria such as infrastructure which quite frankly Indian universities lack. But this says nothing about the competence of its graduates. Singapore is not the only country where Indian professionals work and is obviously not the most attractive one. Top companies from around the world recruit the best straight off their university campuses (like from IIT and IIM). It is also to be considered that India has a huge talent pool which ensures only the very best get into premier institutions ,which are very few, so even the best from a mediocre university are at par with the best from many smaller countries where the talent pool is very small. It should be noted that the best professionals work with the best companies. To make up some sort of conspiracy theories about recruitment is childish when it is obvious that Singapore cannot produce enough graduates to fill up these job vacancies. Just look up how many engineers graduate in India and will be obvious why there are so many Indian professionals around. If you ever looked up at how much it costs a foreigner to study in Singapore you would understand why not many study here. Also remember that without foreign capital and talent Singapore would still be a fishing village.

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  4. Agni, You mentioned "Top universities" in IIT and IIM as examples in India. Unfortunately, of the 20 sampling seen, none of them are from IIT and IIM. They are not really 'talents' in this report. How can you call one talents that did not come from IIT and IIM. So what talents do you call these?

    Based on more than 2 research on university rankings, they are not merely measured on Infrastructure as you might perceive. It is telling that you are quite unsure how these rankings work! They also based on employer peer review, research quality, and income just to name a few!

    Meritocracy is obviously lacking. It is obvious they are brought in by their vertical connections and it is very disappointing that you are also siding them. Are you also a graduate from IIT/IIM? Or are you defending them on the basis they are your own people. This proves a point beyond doubt. Singapore was a fishing village. IN 2000, we did not have so many foreigners, but we maintained a world class infrastructure and breatheable space. Your incessant ramblings about how singapore will falter is unfounded. Do you ever live here, or you just recently received your PR? All except new singaporeans and PR will know the current situation.You obviously have been too comfortable hiring your own workforce from abroad to know the current situation in SIngapore. Why else are there so preference for Indian labourers? Please explain this. Despite India having a huge talent pool, it pales in comparison with Singapore.

    Grow up and rid your bigot and ethnocentric views! Your defense of their presence is a shame and hindrance to Singaporeans.

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  5. Sadly this is true...

    Even big US MNC own HR Recruiter (in Singapore branch) are now an neh liao lei...
    And the worst thing is some of them are not even based in Singapore but in India or some other APAC countries. And Singapore work positions are under their scope.

    An neh boss or recruiter will only fill more Ah neh, same goes for the lucky plaze folks...

    Is the gahmen even aware of this, or simply just put on a blind eye???

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  6. I'm not sure the problem is with foreign recruiters. I worked in a stat board with Singaporean HR staff and they were also woefully ignorant about overseas universities.

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  7. @ Ponder Stibbons: I believe an appropriate description will be, highly selective about overseas university grads as opposed to bias towards one's home country.

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  8. It's true that abandoning 'picky' and priced graduates locally and trolling in to a massive pool of 'equally-talented' foreigners fall on one cheap, unorthodox reasoning: Profit over loss.

    Singapore's government is not batting an eyelid for the sake of $$$$. Let's face it. They value economic progression and fame over social and other aspects.

    Money money money money money..........

    @Agni you're being very very narrow-minded. I guess you do belong to the averagely educated regime group of people, brainwashed and extremely supportive of PAP.

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  9. Singapore's Dilemas? How to solve this situation smartly?

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  10. @Agni: Also remember that without foreign capital and talent Singapore would still be a fishing village.

    LOL.. my toes are laughing.. stop thinking so highly of your kind dude..

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  11. @Agni: "Also remember that without foreign capital and talent Singapore would still be a fishing village."

    Yes, Singapore owes its economic success to a non-Singaporean but not those you are trying to suggest. He is our economic architect Dr Goh Keng Swee who became one of the first citizens of the independent Republic of Singapore in 1965.

    The fact that you can make that statement shows your lack of understanding how Singapore became a success in the first place. We principally adopted the strategy of being an export orientated economy. Yes foreign MNC were invited to set up in Singapore but they did not come here to sacrifice for Singapore, they came because Singapore made it advantageous for them to be here. We allowed them to produce their goods cheaply through tax concessions, cheap and good infrastructure, business friendly laws and cheap and hardworking labour. In brief Singapore's economic success was built on the hardwork and sacrifices of our forefathers.

    And even then, do note that the MNCs that came at that time to be our partners were notably the Dutch, Japanese, American and European. They were not from the Indian Sub-continent. In fact it is an important fact in Singapore's history that in our infancy, when we needed help in the building of our military, India refused to help even though we approached her first. It was the Israelis that came to our help in our hour of need while the Indians left us in the lurch.

    It may be a culturally consistent behavior, but the current lot of new Indians only started to make their way to Singapore after we became an economic success with all the infrastructure and security umbrella built up to enjoy the good life and opportunities.

    We know who our real friends are and I believe we are magnanimous enough to allow even people from nations who have let us down in the past to partake in the fruits of our economic success but I think it would be disrespectful, at least in our culture to 1) Not help when there is difficult work to be done 2)But jump in to share in the spoils once the rewards from the work come in 3)Spin fairy tales to somehow create the impression that one was somehow part of another group that actually helped and 4) belittle the sacrifices of those that actually did the work.

    Finally I am sure that the new talented Indians from India are badly needed around the world. But I am also quietly confident that Singapore can still survive without their great sacrifice and contributions. After all we have done it with only our own Singaporeans (Indian, Malays, Chinese and others) in the past and under harsher conditions.

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  12. This is so sad. Agni whom Singapore/PAP welcome with open arms is now disparaging the very open arms which he chose to walk into.

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  13. I agree with Agni that without foreign capital and talent, Singapore will not be what it is today. Mind you, we are talking about real talent that contributes and elevates the economy, not some fake/bogus talent camouflaged by your own recruiter.

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  14. Fuck the Singapore Chinks. I'm a Singapore Indian, born and bred. I remember how I was discriminated in the 1990's when trying to enter the workforce. All the HR and hiring managers were Singapore Chinks who refused to hire minorities and only hired their own bloody kind. Now the tables are turned. Now the Chinks are facing discrimination and tasting their own medicine. I say it's about fucking time these chinks understand how the minorities have been treated all these years. And by the way, I run a large IT company. If I have a choice, I hire local Singapore Chinese only as a last resort. No matter how good their educational results are. End of the day, local Chinese Singaporeans are rote learning exam passing automatons, lack any sort of creativity, highly racist/xenophobic, very clique-ish, do not mix well with other cultures, speak/write poor English and mediocre workers. Given a choice, I will take Mainland Chinese, Indians, Filipinos, Aussies, Brits, Yanks, Kiwis, even Malaysia Chinese anytime. Anything but the local Chinks.

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  15. pundeh. If Singaporeans are xenophobic, there would be 'ethnic cleansing' at a mass scale like those in Africa. this has not happened and proves that your accusation is flawed.

    I suggest you leave Singapore because your business won't go very far. And if you are truly successful, this screenshot will be a testament to how racist you and your company is. :)

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  16. Moolahooh,

    You mean like how the Indonesians slaughtered the Chinese in the streets of Jakarta a few years back? Look around you in the region. The Chinese in Singapore are surrounded by hordes Malays and Indonesians and are outnumbered.

    The fact is that Singapore cannot survive without an influx of talents. Yes, these Foreign Indians may not come from top Unis, but their fucking more IT savvy, fast learning, productive and globally sought after talents. Sadly, local Singaporean Chinese are picky, have poor work atitude, job hopping prone, communications challenged workers, sorry drones. They may be somewhat acceptable for local chinaman companies. But when the likes of Barcap, DB, RBS and StanChart want to run their global offshoring centers in Singapore, they cannot rely totally on your chinky ah bengs to run their mission critical global operations. They need talents from India, China, Filipinos, Aussion, Kiwis, Brits, etc to make it work.

    Dude, I have lived my life around dumb chinks like you guys. Very few of you local Singapore chinks can truly be called global class. The best you guys can muster is perhaps excel somewhat in China, but that advantage will soon be gone once the Mainland Chinese pick up better english than you.

    Face it, the local Chinks don't have it to make Singapore a truly global city. Why do you think LKY (who himself is a latent Chinese supremacist) has given in and is bringing in foreigners. Unlike the Taiwanese, Mainland, Hongkie or even Malaysia Chinese stock, the Singapore Chinese are comparatively much weaker bunch of mediocre, whining, singlish speaking fucktards. Your local Chinese are only good at running hawker centers, massage parlours, pimping in Geylang, etc. For truly global class business, you need foreigners. it is about you dumb chinks realize and the shut the fuck up and stop this xenophobic rants.

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  17. Pundeh. Your best arguments are at feeble attempts to justify foreign talent. As a matter of fact, hate speeches should not be granted any further attention from an Indian bigot!

    The best engineering and technology universities and talents are from the U.S. India has not produced any technological marvel to-date. Their rockets explode in mid-air compared to China. Their cars start, but catch fire -- tata nano. Their country is in ruins despite having a large middle class. Superbugs are found in their waters. I don't see how their city is the best in the world. If so, we would have modelled after them.

    Foreigners whose accents are thick find themselves hard to be understood. And their behaviours are ungracious by any first world standard. Such etiquettes should not be welcomed. It is no wonder the Australians , UK, Denmark, Germany and the French, would limit the intake of foreigners for the inability to integrate to society. It suggests, you too, have not been able to integrate to the Singapore society.

    By insinuating that the Chinese has disadvantaged you, then you should look around and see who has been more successful than you. Such victim mentality is the reason perhaps why you are where you are (i doubt that you actually run an IT company). The writings you make sound like you're an intern.

    Further, your accusation of xenophobia is weak, and arguments about English standards poor, are also unfounded.

    Just to enlighten you, it is a fact that the India and China migrant's English are very weak. Their IELTS academic score is 5.5 or 6.0. see http://www.ielts.org/researchers/analysis_of_test_data/percentile_ranks_2010.aspx

    p.s. your posts are generally very offensive but because I have lived in racist countries in first world nations, such accusations do not provoke me very much except that it reflects your current mental state of mind.

    p.s. Even if you worship other foreigners, the jobs will not go to you -- that is a fact, unless you sleep with them -- they might turn you away.

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  18. moolahooh,

    Obviously either you are an amateur blogger or someone with very little or no international experience who doesn't know how things work around the world. You cant put blame on the whole clan just because of some bad examples which you will inevitable find in all walks of life.

    Most of your arguments lack depth & defy the logic. I hate to say this but because of your stupid article, I have to say this, Singaporeans Chinks or Malays don't measure up to world class entrepreneurs, mathematicians or academics. The English that you guys speak here can help you to run coffee shops or cabs but is simply not enough to collaborate with or deal with Americans, Brits, Aussie or Indians.

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  19. ohan, agni, pundeh all but the same identity. I love how successful this article will be. Like the foreign talent, you fail to integrate into the Singaporean society. U stubbornly show great qualities of an indian bigot criticising other races but yours. If not for LKY, the indians would not be here. You probably had little readings in your life too.

    Thank you for providing insights to how racist you bigots can be. This site will remain public for the world to see how racist you are. Perhaps, you should consider going to Australia. Hope you won't get stabbed. I trust you will with your indian supremacy. Happy bitching. Singapore's not for you, and will not welcome you.

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